By: jukeboxgrad
schaser: your tedious habit of making one post with a whole bunch of quotes from other posters in it I have posted 11 comments in this thread, including this one, and including one accidental...
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zuch: Not exactly. I think Griswold takes care of that. If it were possible, don’t you think the Republicans would have done (or tried) a ‘Hyde Amendment’ to ban insurance for abortions? A right to...
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jukeboxgrad: We have elected representatives and empowered them to make rules because we think this is a good system. Some people call this ‘democracy.’ I’m sorry you call this “coercion.” Why do...
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The fact that we empower elected representatives to make rules, and to use force to ensure that we follow those rules, doesn’t mean that the use of such force isn’t coercion This is what you said...
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You are free to avoid hiring people who use birth control. No one here wants to address this issue. I don’t think the average employer is allowed pursuant to state or federal law to do at least some of...
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Not allowing an employee to use birth control would in practice be a burden particularly on female employees, a type of sex discrimination. If I forbid both males and females from using birth control,...
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jukeboxgrad says: If I forbid both males and females from using birth control, I could argue that there’s no sex discrimination. The EEOC determined denial of coverage of insurance here is a violation...
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The EEOC determined denial of coverage of insurance here is a violation of statutory law. That case doesn’t test the idea I described, which is that you have the right to not hire people you consider...
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And speaking of coercion, let’s recall some of the commies who helped put us on this road to tyranny: Decades ago, a congressman from Texas argued passionately that the federal government should pay...
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Joe: That might be “your” view but the Church views things differently. It does not want to directly promote various things themselves but especially given the size of their flock & those they...
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Chris Travers: [zuch]: Not exactly. I think Griswold takes care of that. If it were possible, don’t you think the Republicans would have done (or tried) a ‘Hyde Amendment’ to ban insurance for...
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Joe: That might be “your” view but the Church views things differently. It does not want to directly promote various things themselves but especially given the size of their flock & those they...
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jukeboxgrad: barb: The issue is who pays for that which the Catholic church opposes No, the issue is why do you hire birth control users if you’re morally opposed to funding birth control. Because...
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When it’s readily available, many inclined to premarital promiscuity are too undisciplined to use it properly on schedule. There’s no need to drag the Palin family into this discussion. And I say...
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randy: That might be true for most sinners, but the church, along with many other churches, carve out a special exemption for gays. That’s the one sin that merits immediate termination, and the church...
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jukeboxgrad: And I say “Palin family” and not just “Bristol Palin” because most people don’t know that Sarah herself got pregnant before she got married. With Todd? And we know this how? it would be...
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To remind people, I support the policy in place. jukeboxgrad says: That case doesn’t test the idea I described, which is that you have the right to not hire people you consider immoral, and your...
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I’m giving up commenting in this thread for Lent. As to the last comment, lest I give them too much credit, it’s quite possible the Church fired someone who was merely gay and not actively so. But, the...
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Barb: But i don’t see where it’s the job of gov’t to force religious institutions to EVER violate their Bible-based consciences. How about taxes going to violate “thou shalt not kill”? Barb:...
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Barb: [jukeboxgrad]: That discretionary money was handed to them by their employer, a Catholic institution, which made no effort to avoid hiring birth control users, even though it’s supposedly a sin...
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